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AffCrunch
October 9th, 2009 @10:29 pm  

I’ve been contacted a few times by a scammer from China who offered to generate $1k from each network every month at 50/50 profit split. He also revealed he has several ‘well known’ clients and counted a few names from Wickedfire. Lets see where this ends.

Jdog
October 10th, 2009 @7:58 am  

Some big rebill advertisers dont accept giftcards. I think every advertiser should implement that into there merchant filters.

Ilya Vassilevsky
October 10th, 2009 @10:01 am  

Wow, that’s a lot of money if you ask me… Truly, GIFT cards they are :)

OK, if the person referred by a publisher is real, and uses a real card to subscribe. But the card has little funds on it, and after the initial S&H charge, further recurring billing fails. This is also a problem. How advertisers deal with that? How to distinguish a quality lead from a fraud in this situation?

Jdog
October 10th, 2009 @10:23 am  

Another way to combat this is where the advertiser has a call center that calls each order placed to confirm they placed the order also look at the average lifetime customer graphic u can see grouping of fraud leads

akira
October 10th, 2009 @3:23 pm  

I thought a lot of CC processors/merchant accounts blocked out gift cards and things like that. I noticed when I was doing all that GPT bullshit in like middle school that a lot of merchants stopped taking prepaid cards.

Binary Factory
October 10th, 2009 @3:59 pm  

The advertiser is in control of stopping this easier than anyone else in the chain. Their merchant provider/gateway can place a filter on their account to reject transactions from gift cards. If the advertiser is not aware of such a feature, the network should be communicating that to them.

Ruck
October 10th, 2009 @5:44 pm  

A lot of them block, a lot of them dont. If it wasnt such an issue I wouldnt have stayed up late last night writing about it :)

Dr. Write Debt Off
October 11th, 2009 @12:55 pm  

As a small advertiser i am grateful for this type of information and your courage for constantly exposing “stuff” that others know and will not talk about.

John Kirkpatrick
October 11th, 2009 @3:03 pm  

Gift cards have always been a problem for incentive sites. I would get thousands of dollars of commission revoked per month because advertisers had no precautions set up. I would pay the users 2-3 weeks before the advertiser finally generated a report with the sub-ID’s of who used gift cards too, which made it even more frustrating.

I agree with Binary Factory, advertisers are in the best situation to fight it in most situations because for us, it was nearly impossible to find a solution without collecting the credit card data ourselves. As far as I know, Visa’s and Amex gift cards usually start with the same four numbers…

Tipjar
October 11th, 2009 @6:27 pm  

Hey Ruck,

I hate to say it, but this post is too much info for frauders that are looking to start frauding. This is literally a blueprint a frauder could follow to start generating $8k-$24k/month.

Ruck
October 11th, 2009 @9:32 pm  

Better than nothing being said and nah, there’s a whole lot more to it than just grabbing a gift card and filling out offers. I didnt even touch on ip’s, referrers and how to make the quality actually seem like it’s good enough for an advertiser to accept. Those are things I wont put public.

rawbones
October 13th, 2009 @8:05 am  

Is there a way for networks to get CC data from the back-end that can report to you weekly gift card usage per publisher?

If you had this information, it seems to me like it would be easy to shut them down. Not only shut them down but put a little hurt on them.

Ruck
October 13th, 2009 @8:34 am  

No typically the advertiser controls that unless we are hosting/posting the data ourselves and then there might be a possibility. The way to win here is to work closely with advertisers and have them report their subid tracking but being a proactive network and identifying these patterns in early stages. The most important thing is to not allow the element on the network in the first place.

Rob
October 15th, 2009 @12:14 pm  

Personally I find it hard to believe that that many merchants still aren’t blocking VCC and gift card at this point but Ruck is right in that you stop the fraud at the publisher level by not letting them in the network in the first place.

All it takes is implementing some additional identity verification steps, a solid list of questions that only a real publisher could answer correctly and asking for a couple of references from other networks.

If the networks worked harder at working together on publisher approval, this really wouldn’t be the issue that it is.

And @ Ilya the solution is to preauthorize the customers cards for a larger amount and decline any that don’t approve. I use the same practice in my offers and if a customer doesn’t have a certain amount available they are dumped, there are a few awesome companies that specialize in this as well as lists of undesirable customers known for chargebacks which can also be filtered out.

Steven Sauve
October 22nd, 2009 @1:22 pm  

From what I’ve heard from some merchants, they do not have the ability to distinguish between a gift card and a regular credit card. Nor are they allowed to do a pre-auth on the first rebill. It doesn’t help identify stolen cards either, which is also a big problem in the fraud game.

This whole gift card deal is what pretty much destroyed the incentive side of affiliate marketing. I remember in 06/07 when there was pretty much a dozen new incentive sites popping up per day (thank you Shiftcode) giving fraudsters so many new places to do their dirty work. It peaked quick, then ended. This even bankrupted a few merchants.

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