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Cashtactics.net
July 10th, 2009 @9:48 am  

Wow… Incredible… Why would someone want to risk their account for a couple of bucks from the fraudsters? I guess if you have a new pub that doesn’t make too much that this could be appealing. But definitely not worth loosing an account and getting that mark of fraud on your record.

TipJar
July 10th, 2009 @11:31 am  

Blow the fckin lid off them!

Ruck, have you networked and talked to other affiliate networks out there about this whole problem? This could lead to a whole ‘nother government agency designed to protect fraud for aff networks, especially if other affiliate networks come forward and are willing to HELP start protecting this industry. Can you imagine the combined budget of just a FEW of you guys?

You’re one of the few people who are putting yourself and business on the line to out the frauders.

What really worries me though (from the 6th paragraph) is if these Chinese ppl start blackmailing big-name affiliates. Getting fraudulent leads and then saying to them they’ll do more (and get the affiliate banned) if they don’t pay up what they’ve already done…although I’m not sure how they’d track these guys down, but who knows.

I’d say a black list might be good, but then you’d risk banning innocent people as well…

Xdreamer
July 10th, 2009 @1:15 pm  

Wow never thought that they get some personal attacks to your family. Thats is something from the bottom drawer.

Ruck
July 10th, 2009 @3:59 pm  

They arent using “their” accounts nor are they using their real names. It’s only thru tracking them down that we have discovered it. Yes technically a fraud mark on their record sucks but most of the cases we have spoken about with the network are names we dont of. This basically means that the network DID catch the fraud, but they didnt unmask who was REALLY behind it.

Hannah
July 10th, 2009 @4:05 pm  

Wow, that’s incredible. What fuckwits, to threaten your family.

I don’t understand what would inspire a legit publisher to allow fraud on their account either. There’s just so many reasons why it’s a bad idea, not to mention COMPLETELY immoral, especially if you know they’re fraudulent leads.

TipJar
July 10th, 2009 @4:52 pm  

Oh I see, because these fraudulent leads look like normal ones, you can’t necessarily blame the affiliate (since (for the most part) affiliates have no control over fraudlent leads?)

andrew wee
July 11th, 2009 @3:12 am  

Hey dude, good work.

Mebbe it’s time to setup an AffiliateMarketingBlacklist.com site and list the fraud affiliates and networks who’re providing bad leads, shaving, scrubbing.

Something like a ripoff report with an cpa/aff mktg slant?

Tim Elfelt
July 11th, 2009 @10:02 am  

In the incentive industry, one of the more popular scripts has a “cross checking” feature, where you can link sites together to share data. You can select just how much data you want to share about your users, like their IPs, names, etc.

Maybe this is something to look into?

A SOAP/xml interface to a central blacklist? The problem is the piggybacking that these fraudsters seem to be doing now. If a legitimate affiliate is dumb enough to get paid for a fraudster’s fraudulent leads, they deserve to be blacklisted anyway

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